195 Comments

• George Beas says:

  September 10, 2012 at 5:03 am

  Too little too late.
  Good day.

  • Dennis Mailman says:

    September 12, 2012 at 8:29 am

    much agreed

  • m w says:

    September 12, 2012 at 9:53 am

    I am highly disappointed with the statements made by Jerry Tsai and further believe that a person who allows statements like those (wether he wrote it or was quoting) to be printed within the covers of a “gun lifestyle” magazine clearly has a lack of understanding as to mindset of its readers. This man has no business being the editor of this magazine and should step down immediately. I can understand the outrage by the readers but i ask all of us to look at this logically. Did the editor make a huge mistake….absolutely, however his views are not shared with the companies that choose to advertise in the magazine.

    • Seriously says:

      October 8, 2012 at 2:38 am

      Dude, you are getting a little too intense about this. It is obvious what the editor intended; the mistake was withdrawn. As to your comment about the editor not understanding the readership, I think this is correct. The editor expected the audience to be well educated, sensible, and rational. He indeed lacks an understanding of the mindset of the readers and should get a job where his talents are better appreciated.

  • Bud Harton says:

    September 12, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    I had just gotten to the point where I was looking for your magazine every time i was at a magazine rack and then I read the article on the H&K and your comments on civilian ownership of automatic weapons.

    That pretty quickly destroyed any credibility you had developed. Are you really that out of touch?

    I bet you folks grew up in California, right?

  • Andrew says:

    September 12, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    I will never buy this magazine, due to the antigun and antifreedom comments of the writers. Too little, too late.

    You should be ashamed of yourself and your antigun/antifreedom attitude.

  • The_One says:

    September 12, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Baloney.

    Horrible attitude. Don’t give money to these people, it will be used against us.

  • GK says:

    September 13, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    I think there is way to much over reaction on this issue, you have an excellent magazine. I will be ordering every issue. Keep up the good work.

    • Jake says:

      September 24, 2012 at 2:16 pm

      I agree this magazine is awesome. I will also continue to support Recoil and keep buying every issue. Although I don’t necessarily agree with what was written, I think the guy made a mistake. Obviously he believes that citizens should have the right to own NFA weapons since the next article in that issue was a beginners guide on purchasing these restricted weapons.

  • nunya bidness says:

    September 14, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    well…bye.

• thebronze says:

  September 10, 2012 at 5:25 am

  It’s good to know that I haven’t been missing anything by not paying $8 for a magazine.

  Thanks for confirming my decision not to do so!

• Scott says:

  September 10, 2012 at 5:31 am

  Thank you for retracting your comment. I respect you for acknowledging when you were wrong and I will continue to support your magazine.

  • Andrew says:

    September 13, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Just so you know, H&K has issued a statement saying that no, this isn’t anything reflecting their policy. This is just recoil.
    Glad to know I don’t need to visit this site anymore.

• Phelps says:

  September 10, 2012 at 5:50 am

  You didn’t “pass on” the information. You agreed with and endorsed it. This isn’t some sort of ‘unfortunate wording’ problem. You wrote “and for good reason.” You even continued, “We all know that’s technology no civies should ever get to lay their hands on.”

  That’s not a problem is wording. That’s a problem in thinking.

  • Jim says:

    September 12, 2012 at 12:05 am

    Phelps is completely right. To truly have unwavering support means that articles such as the one in question would never exist. I seriously question any reason people would need to buy your magazine. The only proper way for you to show you truly do support the second amendment would be to resign. I would never trust an editor who made comments such as yours to oversee magazine on guns. Your words were not unfortunate. To have written what you did was personal opinion and NOT “passing along information.” The beauty of living in a free society is that we have other options to buy instead of your publication. Regardless of how little you think of freedom I intend to exercise my freedom to choose to give take my business to more pro-freedom publications. You sir should do the right thing and give up your position as editor. I find this weak excuse to be “an unfortunate wording.” I hope that is clear.

• Clint Butler says:

  September 10, 2012 at 6:12 am

  Worst apology EVER. I have no need for your drivel nor your advertiser’s products.

• Patrick K Martin says:

  September 10, 2012 at 7:18 am

  Sorry, too little, too late. I left the NRA when Moses told me I didn’t need an AK-47 and he would rather throw me and those like me off the sleigh to appease those who hate our rights and you people are no better. My rights are NOT dependent on the likes or prejudices of others, including YOU or H&K ( H&K; because you suck and we hate you!). I plan to help put you and your gun-rag in the trash-heap, right next to Jim Zumbo, maybe you and he can take up golf since you seem more interested in games and BS than the real rights of Americans.

• Ron says:

  September 10, 2012 at 11:38 am

  I am canceling my subscription.

• Brian Williams says:

  September 10, 2012 at 12:09 pm

  “I’d like to address the comments regarding what I wrote in the MP7A1 article in RECOIL issue 4.”
  Unconvinced, and extremely disappointed, I can’t see how in writing the article you could mean anything other than guns, in the civilian world, are for anything but sporting purposes. Your latest response seems to place the blame on H&K, but unless they wrote your article, I have to fault you. I REALLY like your magazine, but can’t express my level of disappointment. I hope you can make up for it, as our rights are at risk everyday.

• Dexter says:

  September 10, 2012 at 1:23 pm

  First thing: Stop digging that hole! You need to do a better clarification on the comment “this is a gun that you do not want in the wrong, slimy hands”. I understood that you meant gang bangers and their ilk, but that statement is a wide brush, and you painted many people in the face with it.
  This is the essential statement that needs to be corrected BEFORE the day is out. The overwhelming majority of gun owners are law abiding and responsible firearm owners, and it implied that they are no better than common criminals who rape, rob and plunder.
  I am not a subcriber, and I have never even heard of your magazine before last night, but I would hate to see a new gun magazine go under because of unclear writing.

• Cory Everett says:

  September 10, 2012 at 1:35 pm

  I will NO LONGER be supporting your magazine or anyone who advertises in your magazine.

• Chad Ridler says:

  September 10, 2012 at 2:38 pm

  while Jerry Tsai’s apology was the right thing to do, he needs to step down from your team or your magazine is doomed. I for one will not purchase recoil as long as he remains in his position.
  It’s only your 4th issue and already you have to apologize to the entire gun community and correct your offensive flag mistake…that’s not a good track record and doesn’t bode well for your future issues.
  Try to finding someone who is NOT from california would be a good start.

• Matt clark says:

  September 10, 2012 at 2:39 pm

  I will never read your mag again. I truely hope that your advertisers abandon you. Your words, although later retracted, were not somethig a gun supporter would say. Your true feelings have shown themselves.
  Furthermore The words are now out there to be used by the anti 2nd ammendmnt people. What better ammo could they get then to have a gun supporter say that gun owners have to be restricted because we are not capable of controlling ourselves with hitech arms. You told the world that the government is needed to keep us all in line. I disagree.
  I hope the fire you for your foolish words.

• Jack says:

  September 10, 2012 at 2:44 pm

  “Yet today assault weapons remain perfectly legal to buy in gun stores and gun shows across the country, in unlimited quantities. Perhaps even more shocking, the type of bullet many assault weapons fire (7.62mm full metal jacket) can penetrate four categories of police body armor. With no sporting purpose, there is no legitimate reason the public should have this kind of access to military-style assault weapons.

  To protect ourselves and our police, these weapons of war should be kept out of the hands of civilians.”

  -The Brady Campaign

  • James says:

    September 16, 2012 at 5:56 am

    Wow, sounds like an echo in the magazine article. Wonder if Jerry’s maiden name is Brady?

• Brett Po says:

  September 10, 2012 at 2:46 pm

  It looks like you’ll have to spend a significant amount of your personal and professional life OUTSIDE of the firearm community now. Your damage is done. We know what you said. No statement erases the ideology you spewed for your fingertips.

• Jeff says:

  September 10, 2012 at 3:44 pm

  You took a nose-dive into the biggest pool of mud you could find with the way the article was written, That being said, your magazine is the only magazine I read every page of, whether or not I’m interested in the topic on that page. Very informative, nice photography, and I like the DIY stuff. I will continue to buy.

  Take a shower and get back to it.

• tyler (a concerned citizen) says:

  September 10, 2012 at 3:49 pm

  i love your magazine and went ahead and paid for the subscription on my iPad when the first issue came out – i had never seen anything like it. however, now i realize that y’all are a bunch of liberal californians trying to pass yourselves off as enthusiast. i will be no part of a magazine that supports the infringement of my 2nd amendment. the words that were written in issue 4 will most def be used again the entire community. no matter how many retractions you make you will never undue the harm that you have caused in the community. not to mention at a time when the UN is literally trying to take the american publics weapons away. you should be ashamed of yourselves and the only way i am going to read this again is if you get rid of Jerry Tsai and his left leaning liberal views. now i am going to continue reading my tactical weapons magazine because they support civilian ownership. good luck while you stare into the abyss.

• TJ says:

  September 10, 2012 at 4:03 pm

  It appears that not only do you not know what you’re talking about you also don’t check your facts prior to publishing. If you screw up on a story like this one what does it say for the rest? Why would I buy this mag knowing that its no better than the new york times for truth or facts? What sells gets printed….screw the reality.
  Screw you guys too. Just another trash mag…….

• Chad Wolfe says:

  September 10, 2012 at 4:32 pm

  Dear Mr. Tsai,

  The fact that your apology basically amounts to a “sorry, I was just parroting what I was told by someone else about this gun” is one of the CORNERSTONES in the problem with trying to have any civil discussion of 2nd Amendment rights. I am dumbfounded that you freely admit that you simply “passed on” information without bothering to use any critical thinking or common sense. It seems the the first issue of RECOIL will also be my last. Good day.

  Chad Wolfe

• C P says:

  September 10, 2012 at 4:55 pm

  Dear Recoil

  I will be cancelling my digital subscription based on your editors comments. He should have thoroughly thought through what he wrote. It is unacceptable for a firearms magazine to not support the shooting sports. It’s a shame really, I thought the magazine had great potential. I was really impressed with the issue that I mostly read.

  Sadly disappointed,

  cp

• Duke says:

  September 10, 2012 at 5:34 pm

  Recoil is the Maxim of the gun rag world, you do a great job with the photography but dear God the articles are trash. The ‘instructional’ sections aren’t totally worthless for shooters with less experience than I, but the rest of the magazine seems like a giant pile of leg-humping. Lots of flashy pictures and articles written for a lower IQ than the target readership. I bought a couple of copies hoping it would be a breath of fresh air in the gun magazine world but I was disappointed.

  After reading his original article and the follow up apology, I think the editor Jerry Tsai is a complete idiot who doesn’t understand the National Firearms Act (NFA), US import laws, or the Second Amendment of the US Constitution for the right of the people to keep and bear arms (RKBA). Instead of saying all that BS about it shouldn’t be in civilian hands, he could have avoided that needless opinionated crap and educated the uninformed readers that since it is a full auto made after 1986 it is not available to Citizens under federal law. Rather than pointing out the BS about it having no sporting purpose as if that had anything to do with RKBA, he should have said that even if it were available in a Semi auto version it would be non-importable under the current US import laws because it wouldn’t qualify under the outdated “sporting purposes” clause.

  What I think really happened is that Editor Tsai received a list of content H&K wanted in the article so he put it in, possibly without even reading it! The whole this gun is too military for you thing stinks of H&K since their bankruptcy in the 1990s and subsequent change of corporate ownership. I think H&K has shown little interest in catering long arms to the non-LE American consumer market and giving the level of shill-ness most of the articles in this magazine displays, I’m pretty sure Tsai was just dropping in the copy H&K sent him. I hope that he will learn a little something about supporting the RKBA and try to become a journalist rather than a giant ad-machine.

  I don’t buy guns to hunt Bambi or to play Wyatt Earp on the range. I buy guns to protect my ass. The way he stated it shows that he doesn’t really get it when it comes to RKBA, so for that and the other reasons I’ve stated I will not be buying any more copies of Recoil magazine.

  Recoil had a chance to really do something good and attract a whole new generation to the wonders of Guns and responsible firearms ownership, but they blew it hard. Considering it took only four issues, I wonder if that is some kind of record?

  • Blaine Britt says:

    September 13, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Agree 100%

    I purchased a subscription to this magazine and had high hopes for it. This has been very disappointing.

  • O.o says:

    September 15, 2012 at 2:27 am

    Didn’t realize you were the SME of the shooting community bro… Publish your own rag if you feel the rest of us are beneath your skill level, chucklehead…

• Chris Erwin says:

  September 10, 2012 at 5:40 pm

  I recently found Recoil magazine at a local Wal-Mart and decided to buy it and bring it home. I enjoyed it but once I became aware of the anti-2nd amendment language that was used in the MP7A1 article I tossed the issue in the garbage and will not buy another one unless there’s some serious effort given to make things right.

  The little apology written by Jerry Tsai will not suffice. The language he used in the article sounds like something the Brady bunch would say about a weapon. Using the “sporting purpose” measure to determine whether a gun should be allowed on the market for citizens is NOT appropriate and as a NRA life member I will not support language like that. I will not send hard earned money to companies still embracing the old Elmer Fudd mentality of the 1980’s and 90’s that allowed the govt to write laws chipping away at our second amendment freedoms.

  I also didn’t appreciate the comment that, “this is a gun you do not want in the wrong slimy hands.” Since the gun isn’t available to me I can only assume your words were regarding my own “wrong slimy hands.” While I tend to my hurt feeling I will no longer burden you with any hard earned money from my slimy hands.

  Chris Erwin

• Mr. Obvious says:

  September 10, 2012 at 5:48 pm

  Anyone who argues that guns without “sporting purpose” are inappropriate for citizens is a grabber at heart. I expect that we’ll see more and more nonsense about how citizens really don’t need “assault weapons,” standard capacity magazines, etc. from RECOIL. I’m done with this publication.

• Deputy Dawg says:

  September 10, 2012 at 6:22 pm

  Possibly the worst response I have read. Jerry has blamed everything on someone elses information. In other words “Please dont hate me because I still want to play with H&K’s stuff, without them hating me.”

  Here’s an Idea Jerry, how bout you not review items from companies that are directly against the belliefs you, supossedly, have devoted much of your life to. That way you dont get your mouth into trouble for spewing other people’s bullshit.

• Braden Lynch says:

  September 10, 2012 at 6:25 pm

  Dear Mr. Jerry Tsai,

  As a on-line subscription reader I want to thank you for your clarifications and statement that addressed concerns of readers about ideas on civilian firearm ownership in the MP7A1 article.

  Please consider reprinting this is the next issue. Do not sweep it under the rug. Thank you.

• Joe says:

  September 10, 2012 at 6:33 pm

  I hope you get fired and your standing in the line to the soup kitchen.

  • roninm4 says:

    September 11, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    I bought your magazine and liked it alot. I was going to buy a subscription. But after Tsai’s comments, no way.
    Go shill your liberal spew all you want. But I’m not giving you my money to do it with.

• Steve Swaim says:

  September 10, 2012 at 8:07 pm

  It’s too late to backpedal and try to re-direct your comments now… Sporting application or not (and that is a horrible excuse straight from the anti-gun agenda), legal citizens should only have to ask “why not?”, and not have to ask “why?”.

  I will be purchasing no more copies of your publication.

• John Uyeda says:

  September 10, 2012 at 8:40 pm

  I’m a veteran of two services, (Navy and Army) an OIF veteran, former LEO, and a life long shooter. I can see why some shooters might get upset by Mr. Tsai’s statement. However Mr. Tsai was just repeating what many firearms companies have been saying for quite some time. If you didn’t get upset at H&K why get mad at Mr. Tsai? As I understand the situation Mr Tsai is new to the firearms field. Mr. Tsai is doing a great job thus far. You cant please everyone. I dig Recoil magazine and look forward to each new issue.

  • Adam says:

    September 12, 2012 at 9:06 am

    The problem lies with Tsai’s lack of understanding of the second amendment and the ignorance he displayed by voicing these opinions as his own in this publication. For,RECOIL and magazines like it are supposed to be a view into the gun communities world that upholds our values and beliefs regarding gun ownership. When he made these statements; not only did he alienate his subscribers, call them “slimy scumbags, and show his anti-gun political views, he also gave the liberal media ammunition to use against us in the fight for the right to keep and bare arms. VERY bad move on his part; even if he is new to the shooting world.

    • John Uyeda says:

      September 14, 2012 at 12:25 am

      I agree with you that Mr. Tsai’s comments can give the anti gunners ammo against us. And I also agree that Mr. Tsai’s understanding of 2A issues are lacking. I just think that those of us trying to preserve the Second Amendment should be more forgiving of each other, or at least not so quick to throw each other under the bus. We are out numbered as it is.

  • C Williams says:

    September 13, 2012 at 1:24 am

    Well said John! I will never buy a H&K firearm, if this is their position. By the way I already own their competiors guns (FNH PS90).

• John says:

  September 10, 2012 at 8:49 pm

  Hi Jerry,

  I’m disappointed in you and your magazine. I’m an annual subscriber but will not be renewing.

  Best,

• C Pause says:

  September 10, 2012 at 9:35 pm

  The retraction doesn’t matter. The statement is out there, and probably already being pit into a Brady campaign about how a “well respected gun magazine editor understands why the local yokel burnouts shouldn’t have semi-automatic weapons” bla bla bla. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle, and the retraction means nothing, because nobody is going to hear it.

• Mike Lowery says:

  September 10, 2012 at 9:46 pm

  The comments made by Jerry Tsai in RECOIL Issue #4 are both unfortunate and self-destructive. I actually enjoyed your publication and had high hopes that you would be extremely successful with it. As a strong supporter of our 2nd Amendment Rights as Citizens of the United States of America, I take issue with what Jerry said and have to question his core beliefs. It was like taking a knife to the gut, and I felt compelled to delete my online Issues of RECOIL Magazine. I only wish I could receive a refund for the full year digital subscription that I purchased in advance … Surely RECOIL Magazine can “muster up” a better response/apology than the one on your Website and Facebook Page. I’m not calling for the resignation ior even firing of Jerry, but you will need to come up with an apology that actually sounds like an apology – with no preconditions or blame shifting. Thank you.

• Jeff Wells says:

  September 10, 2012 at 9:54 pm

  Jerry,
  I hope you read this and I hope you take this to heart. First, it would be totally unfair for me to not mention that, except for this H&K debacle, I have enjoyed your magazine very much. Second, I’m personally glad I didn’t respond when this story broke and gave myself time to reflect.
  I believe you when you say you’re sorry and I appreciate the retraction. However, there are a couple of points I want to make. If I’m correct, your core audience is the “Maxim” crowd for lack of a better word. You have a tremendous opportunity to influence a lot of young people in a positive second amendment way. Instead, you introduced them to the “sporting purposes” nonsense. This is where you truly failed. In an effort to fix this, you have posted two attempts at damage control that I’m aware of. The second one is far better than the first, but in my opinion, you’re still missing the critical points. You are still putting qualifiers in there. You should not be able to understand the manufacturer’s stance. It is not enough to simply disagree with them. You only need to look at what FN did with the 5.7×28 round. They made the guns in civilian legal form and did the same with the ammunition. You’re also insulting us with the line of not making your points clear enough. You were very clear and you were very wrong. If you’re personally mad at anyone, it should be the jerk at H&K. They’re elitists and have no clue what the second amendment means.
  If you were to take any advice, it’s this: First, try again with a retraction and leave out the qualifiers. There’s no gray here. Second, write the article of your life about what you’ve learned this week. Put it in the next issue and put it on the cover.
  Best of luck,
  Jeff Wells

• Joe Mama says:

  September 10, 2012 at 10:02 pm

  Jerry, you stepped in it and you did so with both eyes open and both hands on the keyboard. You now get to live with the result. “Ugly can be made beautiful, fat can be made thin, wet can be made dry, but STUPID is FOREVER.

• David says:

  September 10, 2012 at 10:17 pm

  The problem is, you did agree with the manufacturer. Wholeheartedly.

  And now want to go back and apologize – twice? No than you, Mr. Brady.

• 2ndForever says:

  September 10, 2012 at 10:27 pm

  Stick to cars bro.

• Charles says:

  September 10, 2012 at 10:49 pm

  A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Seems pretty clear to me. Firearms were not protected under the 2nd for “sporting purposes” “hunting purposes” or any other malarkey. They were to protect citizens from an oppressive government. Something any 2nd amendment supporter should know.

• R. S. says:

  September 10, 2012 at 11:14 pm

  I appreciate your statement but it is to little to late for me. In a time when our gun rights are seriously threatened by a government who has no concern for the 2A it is extremely important to support firearms ownership by civilians. Your comments did not appear to do that.

• GrimLupus says:

  September 10, 2012 at 11:26 pm

  Simple enough… Tsai is not a Second Amendment guy or doesn’t know what it actually stands for. This is only made obvious when in each posting he goes back to the statement that the MP7A1 has no “Sporting Purpose.” I’m sure somehow in his mind the Founding Fathers were just pissed that the Brits had jacked the price of tea up and were going to “endanger their hunting right” but Tsai should do some more reading of history before writing for another periodical… of any type.

• Russell says:

  September 10, 2012 at 11:52 pm

  I just wanted to say, I love your mag, it is the first mag that appeals to the younger generation of shooters and enthusiast. I am a firm believer in the 2nd, I wish I could own a whole house full of fun guns, but I can’t. I don’t see why people have gotten so worked up about it, it’s not like this article is the sole reason civvies can’t own an mp7, we never have and never will. It’s this kind of ignorance that makes all “gun people” seem like a bunch of dumb red necks. I hope this article doesn’t change the way recoil represents its self or it’s columns. Im a huge fan and will continue to anticipate each new issue. Keep up the quality work.

• samuel tucker says:

  September 11, 2012 at 12:06 am

  any damn weapon is a weapon/firearms that american may own dumb ass the 2nd isn’t about sporting it’s about protection and the ability to be free from tyrannts mr, tsai, what don’t understand about the rights that are in the bill of rights, they are not privilages they are RIGHTS!

• Jester7 says:

  September 11, 2012 at 12:10 am

  I read your original “response” to your article (before it vanished) and you were still agreeing with everything that was said… sporting = good. self defense = bad? Anyway, I honestly don’t know (and can’t find) any background that justifies your position with recoil… ex-LEO? Military? If you are just a magazine guy I highly recommend that you get a gun guy to review your commends. I know a lot of 2nd Amendment supporters and NONE of them would have said the things you said either if they were just parroting a company’s take on their market. I’ve enjoyed your mag and hope this works out for recoil. As far as you go, Mr. Tsai, I hear that People magazine is looking for an editor…

• Scott Turner says:

  September 11, 2012 at 12:18 am

  The second amendment has NOTHING to do with sporting uses.

  Maybe only those that “should” have those evil models should be the only ones that should buy your mag.

  I was just getting ready to subscribe to your mag. Shame

• Dave says:

  September 11, 2012 at 12:33 am

  Too little, too late.

• larry says:

  September 11, 2012 at 12:50 am

  It’s just sad that you have to apologize for any thing you say . I do not like the way the U S is going .you can’t even take a leak with out somebody wanting an apology …

• Mark Buckley says:

  September 11, 2012 at 12:58 am

  Dear Jerry,

  I have just been on Facebook reading the fallout from your unfortunate remarks. I was about to take this opportunity to let you know that when I purchased the 3rd issue of RECOIL, I had purchased my last.
  I don’t know how many times you reworked your apology on your web page because this is the first time I saw it. Having read it, I accept it. I hear what you are saying, and I understand what happened.
  Please do me a favor and make nice with all us hardcore 2A lovers of freedom. Do whatever it takes to get Ted Nugent between the pages of you magazine with his full bluntal Nugety. Keep reassuring us that you “get it.” I hope this will not be too expensive for you, but you and your magazine does not need to be the next Jim Zumbo. Take out ads in every 2A and gun publication that you can think of and apologize to your former fans — BIG TIME! I think you have time to rescue this. Please step it up another notch.

  Thank you for your apology,

  Mark Buckley

• Mark Larson says:

  September 11, 2012 at 1:00 am

  I was happy to see that Jerry Tsai retracted the idiotic comments he made in his review of the the H&K MP-7. I was ready to subscribe before I started the article. I came very close to using the magazine as a first burn of the season in my fireplace when I read what he wrote. Now I will get a few more issues in before I make a decision. Please do a better editing job in the future, and remember your who your target audience is.

• steve says:

  September 11, 2012 at 1:07 am

  You should go back and read the SCOTUS decision in Miller v. US – the case where Mr Miller was prosecuted for not having paid the tax on a full auto and a sawed off shotgun.

  Attorneys for the United States argued four points:

  The NFA is intended as a revenue-collecting measure and therefore within the authority of the Department of the Treasury.
  The defendants transported the shotgun from Oklahoma to Arkansas, and therefore used it in interstate commerce.
  The Second Amendment protects only the ownership of military-type weapons appropriate for use in an organized militia.
  The “double barrel 12-gauge Stevens shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches in length, bearing identification number 76230” was never used in any militia organization.

  • PH says:

    September 12, 2012 at 12:49 am

    The neat thing about Miller is that in an ass-backwards way, by saying that the shotgun, not being a military weapon (false BTW), was not protected, SCOTUS implied that *any* weapon actually used by the military *is* protected by the 2nd Amendment. LOL !!!

• BUTTES says:

  September 11, 2012 at 1:42 am

  Absolutely unbelievable.

  I mean, I get that you were pandering to OPERATORs that think “civvies” aren’t “pro-fesshunals”, but your intent was still obvious.

  Trying to back pedal like you’re in a rubber dinghy about to go over Niagara Falls did nothing to help you.

• Dogdriver says:

  September 11, 2012 at 2:14 am

  FAIL!

• Chris Green says:

  September 11, 2012 at 2:24 am

  Sporting Purposes be Damned. I have truly enjoyed your magazine, but will no longer make that purchase. It is for the same reason I no longer purchase any hunting magazines. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with “Sporting Purposes” and I’m sick of people pandering to that crowd. I will continue to support magazines that truly understand that. HK will also never receive a penny of my money for the same reason. I don’t respect them any more than they respect our 2nd Amendment Rights.

  Since they’ve been pretty thoroughly covered by your magazine, I assume you have a close relationship. Hope you both suffer from your implied contempt for mere civilians.

  Chris A Green

• Andrew Flowers says:

  September 11, 2012 at 2:30 am

  I still think I can help you guys.

• robert hester says:

  September 11, 2012 at 2:38 am

  hey it was a mistake and thats good enough for me. i’ll still keep buying the mag i just hope there is a mag to buy and it survives this cause its the best mag of its kind around. so for what its worth i’ll still stand by you.

• Rich Mason says:

  September 11, 2012 at 2:53 am

  Sir,

  I’m 59. I’ve spent my life in the defense of the liberties we commonly enjoy. While I accept your apology, I am concerned that you put yourself in the situation to need to offer it. It makes me wonder just how much you truly understand about the right to keep, bear and wear arms.

  The second amendment and the various declarations on the right to keep, bear and wear arms in the state constitutions, are clear declarations of a political/civil right. The right to hold in our hands the power to resist the tyranny of a government perverted from its proper foundation.

  The unconstitutional restrictions on our right to own and use any and all weapons available to the soldier are clearly at odds with the philosophy of the Declaration of Independence and the federal and state constitutions.

  The words of Tench Coxe sum it up best…

  “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.”

  Tench Coxe (1755-1824), writing as “A Pennsylvanian,” in “Remarks On The First Part Of The Amendments To The Federal Constitution,” in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789, p.2 col.1

  “The power of the sword, say the minority of Pennsylvania, is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for the powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from 16 to 60. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? It is feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”

  Tench Coxe (1755-1824), writing as “the Pennsylvanian” in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, February 20, 1788

  Yours in liberty,

  Rich

• Michael Buehler says:

  September 11, 2012 at 3:00 am

  This whole thing has been blown up way too much. Since when has the black gun community only used perfection as a degree of measure when related to anything in our subject? The editor admitted his mistake, explained the mystery, and issued his apology, what more can he do? To have a fan base disappear overnight over one comment that was not in context correctly is absurd. If there were comments like this in other issues over the last few months, I can see the uproar and that makes sense. In this case, I do not believe and individual would invest so much into the start up of a publication specializing in the education of current tactical weapon topics; when all along he felt that no civilian should own these weapons. It makes a lot of sense HK and their reps would feel that way since I have heard LEO armorers who have dealt with them telling me similar stories. With all this uproar and bandwagon stuff going on, I cant imagine what would happen come the day a batch of Raven or Ares product goes out the door without a proper QC check and one of these guys receives one. I wonder if after that one mistake there would be the same nuclear melt down among those individuals. Im not defending anyone on this issue but simply looking at the entire picture and it seems to be a little bit exaggerated.

• Bosco Kim says:

  September 11, 2012 at 3:04 am

  Jerry i am all about forgiveness. I know you love guns as much as all of us. My hope is people see the err of your ways. You have a great publication but folks are flat out hostile when it comes to the 2nd Amendment. Just tell people they should be able to own a Mark VI grenade launcher and they will be happy regardless if they cannot. People need to get over this and come together and support you. That is what the shooting community is all about. I will keep buying your magazine since it is very well produced. Keep up the good work. DK

• Marc White says:

  September 11, 2012 at 3:19 am

  …very disappointed in your choice of words and/or your beliefs. I know I’m one of many voicing displeasure, but I’ve been a police officer for almost 20 years and I encourage non-commissioned people to train and defend themselves with firearms or any means necessary to maintain their safety. In my opinion, “sporting use” is the most offensive part of your original statement. I’m not mad about what was said, but I am more informed now about your intentions and how my beliefs differ from yours.

• Will says:

  September 11, 2012 at 4:12 am

  Jerry Tsai,

  “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” – Second Amendment, United States Constitution

  The Second Amendment has nothing to do with sporting applications, partner. The Second Amendment doesn’t protect our right to hunt, and it’s not about concealed carry. It’s also really not even about home defense. It IS about protecting our ability, our right, and our duty to oppose tyranny. In all forms. Home defense, self-defense in public (CHL holders) and so forth.

  AND, even IF it was about hunting, then I would counter-argue with the question of why FN allows PS90s (in both standard rifle and Class-III SBRs) to be sold to civvies, Mr. Tsai

  I urge RECOIL to urge their writers to re-read the Constitution before allowing them to write such “infinite retardation”, as a LOT of RECOIL readers have been — and will be putting it — since the release of the latest edition magazine.

• big dave says:

  September 11, 2012 at 4:22 am

  lets roll

• Wade Hollis says:

  September 11, 2012 at 4:54 am

  I am disappointed and will no longer be supporting your efforts. This is unfortunate for us both I thought you had so much to offer.

• mike says:

  September 11, 2012 at 5:57 am

  your glossy eye candy and basic, uninformative articles that are mostly fluff, did not send thrills though my spine when i purchased the first issue of your magazine.
  and after reading your statement i have to wonder if your magazines true colors are coming out. needless to say i will no longer waste any more of my hard earned money on your magazine. just had to let my voice be heard on this issue…

• JIm Stewart says:

  September 11, 2012 at 2:00 pm

  Sorry Jerry, but if you are quoting somebody, you put it in quotes and give an attribution source. Otherwise, you are speaking your words from your mouth or ass, your choice.

  The gun community has enough people telling us what we can and cannot buy, possess, or operate without help from pro 2nd proponents.

  For now I will give you the benefit of the doubt and consider the original opinion piece an incredibly stupid article.

  • JIm Stewart says:

    September 12, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    Benefit of doubt gone After the like on the Justin Legg page, your position is clear.

    And why has the article been taken down? Not enough balls to own up to your position?

    I am a CCW carrier, I have no interest in the military style weapons, but rest assured that my little Ruger LCR is not for sporting purposes. The purpose is my business, not yours.

• concerned says:

  September 11, 2012 at 4:18 pm

  So Jerry, it appears that you are saying that HK or one of their representatives gave you this statement and you just published it without “clarification”. Perhaps you could either do a really good piece of journalism, and make it clear who you were “quoting”, or perhaps just confess that you do, in fact, believe that only guns for “sporting purposes” should be available to the responsible public.

• Thomas C. Bogan says:

  September 11, 2012 at 4:29 pm

  You wrote,
  “Like we mentioned before, the MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and that’s it. Mike Cabrera of Heckler & Koch Law Enforcement Sales and veteran law enforcement officer with SWAT unit experience points out that this is a gun that you do not want in the wrong, slimy hands. It comes with semi-automatic and full-auto firing modes only. Its overall size places it between a handgun and submachine gun. Its assault rifle capabilities and small size make this a serious weapon that should not be taken lightly.”

  First off, the law enforcement people you seem to think so highly of just shot 9 innocent people in NYC.
  Secondly, do you really think that the people who murdered Randy Weaver’s wife and son as well as incinerating the the Branch Davidian’s in the name of “budget share” are some how better guardians of what is basically 90 year old technology ?
  Thirdly, where do you get this “sporting purposes” crap any way ?
  Lastly, what part of “Shall not be infringed” did you not understand.
  This current post makes you sound like Obama, “Oh I said it, but since it went over like a lead balloon it’s not what I meant”.
  You seem to be taking a severe beating and you have no one to blame but yourself .

• Ed Mitchell says:

  September 11, 2012 at 4:42 pm

  Mr. Editor, you need a proofreader (not a spell checker). It’s “personal” not “personnel”, among others.

  That said, unless you were unconscious when writing the article, you obviously meant what you said. Context is not the issue, and editorial oversight is not an excuse. Your apology rings hollow, vacant of sincerity or remorse.

• JBoss says:

  September 11, 2012 at 8:45 pm

  You should go back to writing about something you know about like little POS tunercars. Its very clear by your article that you know NOTHING about our 2 Amendment rights.
  I bought 1 issuse but I’ll not buy another one.

• Bill Reader says:

  September 11, 2012 at 9:17 pm

  You got off to a great start with content trying to cover the gamut of the ‘Gun Lifestyle’, but this editorial stunt puts you at the bottom of a list of magazines that truly support the industry and it’s enthusiasts.

  Jerry The Editor can be single-handedly blamed for killing the readership of this magazine, and when the Corporate Big Wigs show up to state they’re pulling funding and shutting the magazine down – I hope somebody goes over to Jerry The Editor’s office and fires his dumb ass.

  It’s a shame that a magazine with such promise was scuttled by one guy with a big mouth and an agenda.

  Good luck with that,

• roninm4 says:

  September 11, 2012 at 9:19 pm

  Not getting any of my money. My money goes to supporters of the Second…

• Peter says:

  September 11, 2012 at 9:53 pm

  Can anyone tell me how to cancel my itunes subscription? I have since turned off the auto renewal. Am i just screwed and lost my money to a group of airsoft california gun grabbing editors?

• Ryan says:

  September 11, 2012 at 9:56 pm

  This civy puke will never purchase your magazine ever again. Bye!

• Cory B says:

  September 11, 2012 at 10:33 pm

  You clearly didn’t understand the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. It has never been about sporting purposes. It’s always been about defending against a corrupt government–not likely done primarily with bolt or break action weapons. Should have kept those types of firearms on the cover and kept it to hunting if that’s what you wanted for this country. One more subscription gone.

• Guard says:

  September 11, 2012 at 10:34 pm

  I am not impressed with the article, the statement, or the retraction. Your words show your true colors, you seem sorry you got caught.

• Kalashnikov says:

  September 11, 2012 at 10:37 pm

  I will not be supporting Recoil Magazine or any company that advertises in it. The Second Amendment is attacked enough that we do not need an editor of a gun magazine taking shots at it also.

• ALCIDES RIVERA says:

  September 11, 2012 at 10:42 pm

  TO THE BIG CHIEF, TIME FOR A NEW EDITOR!! EVEN THOUGH I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE BEST OVERALL MAGAZINE OUT, BIG TIME F-UP! YOU WANT CONTINUE SUPPORT GET A NEW EDITOR!!! ENUFF SAID!

• Nick says:

  September 11, 2012 at 11:04 pm

  Holy crap! I can’t believe what sissys these gun owners are. The man has a point that some weapons should not be in the hands of you sniveling cowards. Do you ohmos who are so butt hurt about the article really think you should be allowed Reaped Drones, Bunker Busters, and Apache Heli’s too? Maybe some of you could try a penis pump instead of latching to a hardcore gun fetish to calm ur teeney weeney micro penis syndrome?

• Jack Miller says:

  September 12, 2012 at 12:06 am

  Worst faux apology ever. Not an apology. Not a retraction. First you parrot some foreign gun company’s Second Amendment flouting policies and wholeheartedly agree with them while assigning those same beliefs to everyone else with your “we all know” BS. Then you pass the buck and blame others. Typical Cali “gun lifestyle” positions.

  Not only do you parrot ignorant statements and then try to deny responsibility for YOUR statements in YOUR magazine, you disregard your editorial and journalistic duties by spewing whatever a vendor tells you to say without vetting it. I guess that may be a good way to keep vendors giving you toys to play with but it flies in the face of the beliefs of your target demographic’s core beliefs.

  Nice knowing you.

  PS…What’s with the car ads on the website. I figured you would have some gun related ads. Oh, wait….

• Sgt. USMC says:

  September 12, 2012 at 12:13 am

  I’m not buying your magazine as long as Tsai is working there. His apology is NOT accepted.

• Gun Guy says:

  September 12, 2012 at 12:37 am

  As a extremely enthusiastic supporter of your magazine from the get go, I am extremely disappointed in Jerry Tsai’s comments in the MP7A1 article, as well as his degrading follow on comments trying to clarify his original position. I respect him for apologizing but his inability to take responsibility for the comments and instead saying he was just passing along what someone else told him shows a huge lack in forethought and lack professionalism. Overall his comments were ignorant at best at reflects badly on Recoil as a whole. The only real thing Recoil can do to start making amends and try to even remotely salvage what reputation they had developed is to terminate Jerry Tsai immediately and replace him with someone who whole-heartedly believes in the 2nd Amendment and ensure that this type of language never sees the light of day in their publication again. Until then, I support and join everyone who has called for a boycott of the magazine and applaud the advertisers such as Surefire, MFT, ARES Armour, ect. who have let it be known that such language does not represent their views and beliefs.

• JD says:

  September 12, 2012 at 12:38 am

  Dear Mr. Jerry Tsai,
  You sir are grouped in with a multitude of others. You have shown that you do not have the talent or common sense to write for a firearms magazine. You just bashed the community that your magazine is targeted toward and I would not be surprised if the magazine fails to make it past the trial period! It is a shame to see a magazine that has as much potential as this one throw away almost all chance it has by the comments of an inconsiderate editor.
  Yes you apologized, but it was a piss poor one. Every person that publicly bashes a certain group of people releases a statement that they call an apology, but very few actually come from the heart and were truly a mistake. You are the editor of the magazine and you still let comments like yours hit the stands!?!? You have no right to hold the position that you do at the magazine and it would be in your best interest to just resign and let the magazine try like hell to rebuild and gain back everything it has worked for, while you can save what little bit of dignity you still have (if any).
  People who make comments like you just give “the dark side” more and more power against responsible, law-abiding, respectful firearms owners. Your comment about there being no sporting purpose made me laugh, I laughed at how you don’t know what you are talking about because the act of target shooting (which is exactly what you were doing in the article) is a sport!
  Resign from your position or bring down with you the entire team of people who worked so hard on this magazine!

• Is this REALLY an issue. says:

  September 12, 2012 at 12:46 am

  WOW, This is not a big deal. To all of you that are no longer going to support the companies that advertise in this amazing magazine, GOOD LUCK. Have fun switching hobbies or ways of life, because almost all of the reputable companies in this industry advertise in this magazine.

  Everyone knows that the closer you are to a project the harder it is to see little errors. I’m sure if he had not just spent hours/days writing this article, he would have probably noticed the few questionable sentences and reworked them. I am glad that none of you (that have posted negative comments about this) make mistakes, remember WE ARE ALL HUMAN AND MAKE MISTAKES.

  Signed,
  DISAPPOINTED in my fellow gun lovers

• Nate Wilson says:

  September 12, 2012 at 12:47 am

  I really DID like your magazine. But I will never buy another one. What a crock!!!

• Greg G says:

  September 12, 2012 at 1:00 am

  I just became aware of your comments, and your “apology”.

  You have been “outed”. Another anti, hiding in plain site.

  I will encourage all my friends and aquaintainces to not buy / read or endorse anything that Recoil references.

  Hmmm..almost had me fooled as well.

• Tim C. says:

  September 12, 2012 at 1:05 am

  I picked up a copy of Recoil this past weekend and only had the opportunity to read the article published on Chris Costa. I was looking forward to a more in depth review of the articles in the magazine until I learned of your article on the MP7A1 on Haley Strategic’s Facebook page, more specific, his statement of the weapon’s unavailability to civilians “and for good reason.”

  While I do not wish to engage on my thoughts as to my beliefs on what my 2nd Amendment rights entail, your statement would have been best left at “according to H&k, the weapon was not avaible for sale to the public. ” End of sentence. End of paragraph.

  With due respect, your attempt to recant the paragraph written, not just a word or sentence, in my opinion is like trying to pick up the pieces after tripping a Claymore – it is just is not going to happen.

  A good quote to remember when writing future articles – “just the facts ma’am, just the facts.”

  I concur with HaleyStrategic thoughts and do not believe I will continue to support your product or those who advertise in your magazine.

• Johnny Trott says:

  September 12, 2012 at 1:14 am

  You failed to regain my trust with this fake and forced applogy. I will no longer purchase your magazine.

• Brad Caricofe says:

  September 12, 2012 at 1:24 am

  Jerry, who “passed” this information to you for your article. Please be specific.

• Todd Dunn says:

  September 12, 2012 at 2:00 am

  Outrageous statement in the article. Hollow, self serving apology. If the magazine is to survive, the editor must go. Everything he writes and everything in the magazine are colored by his naked bias.

• Still Supporting Recoil!! says:

  September 12, 2012 at 2:08 am

  Mr. Tsai,,

  I still support you and the RECOIL staff, you just cant make everyone happy all of the time..thats just how life is, nobody is perfect. The fact is that you are clearly a supporter of the 2nd. Amendment, if you were not you wouldnt be doing what you do, so thanks and keep up the good work..

• Jason Pearson says:

  September 12, 2012 at 2:08 am

  Well sir as far as I am concerned you have no recourse for yours or “the information passed in to you”! You have insulted not just the readers to whom you claim to represent, but also the 2nd amendment itself. Shame on you. Aside from yourself this article had to have been read by proofreaders, editors and met for final approval by the editor in chief of your publication. For you to backpedal now that you are under fire for your statements shows me that you are just a sheep that repeats what is said and has no true thoughts of his own. I am done reading your magazine and anything else that may ever be written by you (if you can manage to get another job) .. RECOIOL should pack up your desk and escort you to the door by security! RECOIL themselves are niot blameless in this either and every time you try to use lame rhetoric to try to put a band aid on a burst artery you just make the situation worse. I am glad so many of the industry companies have chosen to pull their advertising dollars. because you sir have single handedly tainted the well! it is only too bad for said companies that the checks they wrote had already been cashed!

• Paul Ragusa says:

  September 12, 2012 at 2:33 am

  Unfortunately due to the editorial direction that Recoil Magazine has taken regarding the efficacy of supportimg “sporting use only”, I will no longer soil my slimy, civilian, hands with another copy of your magazine.

  Seriously; the tactical firearms industry depends in great part on civilian ownership of their goods and services, I’m not surprised your advertisers pulled the plug on a magazine that purports to support the firearms lifestyle, but reads like a Brady Campaign press release.

• Roddy says:

  September 12, 2012 at 2:36 am

  Despite being from a country that is generally not pro gun (Canada) I have read articles in my local newspaper that were more supportive of personal firearms ownership than your magazine. Pathetic.

  “We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on”. Wrong. What we all know is your real position on the second amendment.

• Big Ive says:

  September 12, 2012 at 2:55 am

  You wrote what you felt and now that we disagree your retracting what you put in ink which makes me question your integrity. I feel the magazine intends to support people like us and you showed your cards and realized it after the fact. But hey man its just life…. but I wont support Recoil because its not in line with my core beliefs regarding the Second Amendment!

• Jeff Chastain says:

  September 12, 2012 at 3:07 am

  Mr Tsai,

  I was raised by a gun guy, my friends are gun guys and you sir are no gun guy.

  Although I can not document this, I’m guessing that you are new to the gun community and was therefore ignorant when you wrote that stupid paragraph.

  I can forgive that. I have been frequently forgiven for my mistakes and am grateful for the mercy of my friends and creator.

  However, I am concerned that, as an editor, you have such a low opinion of us “civvies”.

  My suggestion would be to seriously consider whether you can continue to serve this magazine as its editor. I like the magazine very much and would hate to see it destroyed because you were unable to put your self-interest above others.

• JohnDS says:

  September 12, 2012 at 3:11 am

  Claiming another party is responsible for the content written by your writer and reviewed by you is laughable. Your job as an editor is to ensure that the issue goes to print with the correct information.

  Blaming it on another party then copping out is hilarious.

  “Although I can understand the manufacturer’s stance on the subject, it doesn’t mean that I agree with it.”

  By allowing it to go to print as is means that you as an editor approved it – so actually it does mean you agree with it.

• Ketan Chand says:

  September 12, 2012 at 3:20 am

  At my next 3 Gun match (which I guess happens to be the kind of “civvie sporting event” that you approve of?), I’ll be inviting my friends and competitors to shoot the few copies of your crap magazine that some of us may have actually bought. Burning their remains after popping off some Tannerite around them too sounds like a great time right about now.

  How’s that for “sporting purpose”? I guess we shouldn’t use MP7A1’s, huh? We little peons just aren’t worthy, are we?

  I should’ve known that with just a little Googling of your staff’s background, that your attitude towards the 2nd Amendment would’ve been obvious.

  California. ‘Nuff said.

• Rob Okray says:

  September 12, 2012 at 3:31 am

  You can forget about getting any money from me until you fire JT.

• Matthew says:

  September 12, 2012 at 3:39 am

  Jerry-
  At the tail end of the aforementioned article you have some specs on different ammo. The units of measure are listed as ‘grams’ instead of ‘grains’. The 9mm projectile at 115grams would equal nearly a quarter pound.

  As for the other issue in the article, Recoil certainly stepped on its ‘weenis’. The life expectancy of Recoil will be determined by its next (?) issue.

  Best of Luck.

• Myphileagles says:

  September 12, 2012 at 4:10 am

  Guys,
  Ever said/written something you wish you could take back? Happened me. I glad I am not the only Human American still alive; at least I know Jerry is not a Robot sent to destroy me.
  When I unprovokedly read the “entire article”, I did point the sentences in question out to my wife. Though I acknowledged the 2A infraction, I pointed it out to her and said, ” This gun must be badass. Look what this gun guy says!”, and I think BadAss is the thought Jerry had – not keep sweet guns from good folk.
  If you are flawless, by the rights the Bible gives you, keep slinging them stones. I will continue to read this informative, entertaining, best gun guy magazine I have read in some time.
  To the guys at Recoil, you are not politicians, you can not say something then completely reverse yourselves. That works for them. You are writers, get it right, you are held to a higher standard. Sad.

• Myphileagles says:

  September 12, 2012 at 4:15 am

  Guys,
  Ever said/written something you wish you could take back? Happened me. I glad I am not the only Human American still alive; at least I know Jerry is not a Robot sent to destroy me.

  When I unprovokedly read the “entire article”, I did point the sentences in question out to my wife. Though I acknowledged the 2A infraction, I pointed it out to her and said, ” This gun must be badass. Look what this gun guy says!”, and I think BadAss is the thought Jerry had – not keep sweet guns from good folk.

  If you are flawless, by the rights the Bible gives you, keep slinging them stones. I will continue to read this informative, entertaining, best gun guy magazine I have read in some time.

  To the guys at Recoil, you are not politicians, you can not say something then completely reverse yourselves. That works for them. You are writers, get it right, you are held to a higher standard. Sad.

• SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED says:

  September 12, 2012 at 4:57 am

  If you were indeed a true 2nd amendment advocate and gun enthusiast you would have seen through HKs BS and shot it down. We are denied it but we morally have the right to anything the military has access to because it is the only way we can effectively defend ourselves from their tyranny. I can afford an aircraft carrier but If i could i should be able to buy one. Thats what its about. If your so sorry right a story telling HK to go to hell and never support anyone buying one again in your life. As a matter of fact right a story about how they are anti second amendment cause apparently they are. Your only purpose from now on should be to do their business harm. If not i hope your mag goes under taking your personal wealth with it leaving you to die poor and alone in a ghetto nursing home.

• Bill D says:

  September 12, 2012 at 5:15 am

  This looked like it had the makings of a good magazine. Unfortunately, it was promptly driven into the the ground by a renegade editor with some bizarre agenda to push.

  Although, this is perhaps a good thing. Better this thing end before it begins that the firearms community having to deal with some mamaluke claiming to be one of us, while expressing relief that our “smiley” civilian hands may never molest the magical wonder gadget know as the mp7.

  If I see issue #4 in the grocer, I will write down every advertiser running ads and cease to do business with them.

• Ryan Campadonia says:

  September 12, 2012 at 5:38 am

  I would like to echo the sentiment of many here when I read the initial article on the MP7. No need to beat a dead horse about whether having a “sporting” purpose is a prerequisite for owning a firearm with respect to the 2nd Amendment. I have enjoyed the issues I have read for far and while I find your written apology here a little half-hearted, I will continue to look for new issues of the magazine in the hopes your work product will make up for what was lacking here.

  To my fellow gun-enthusiast, while I understand the negative reaction most of you have, I have to point out that this is Mr. Tsai’s 4th issue of a magazine covering a controversial and sensitive political issue- as your impassioned responses prove. I would like to point out though, that with respect to this specific firearm – the MP7 – Mr. Tsai’s comments might have simply been taken out of context to some extent. The HK product is designed for a specific purpose and under current NFA and Import laws, is untouchable for most Americans as it has no “sporting” purpose. I have no doubt his comments were colored by the representatives at HK, which many know does not really care much about the civilian sales market in the US. Given his relative inexperience with the subject matter, the comments in the article are not at all surprising, even if many of us find them to be unjust.

  What I ask of many of you, is not to jump to such brash comments or action. Keep a wider perspective on things. If the 2nd Amendment is so endangered as many of you claim, then we need as many allies on our side as possible- especially in the media where firearm ownership is so often demonized. Did Mr. Tsai screw up? Sure. But rather than use this as an opportunity to shame, berate and punish him- seize it as an opportunity to educate him and through respectful dialogue, encourage him to better represent the 2nd Amendment in future publications. None of us can be right 100% of the time, and in the end, we must support each other rather than become divided. Help Mr. Tsai understand this, and we all benefit in the end.

  -Ryan

• Irving says:

  September 12, 2012 at 6:25 am

  HK isn’t responsible for this outburst. HK makes the UMP for the LEO/MIL community and the USC for the civilian community. HK makes the G36 for the LEO/MIL community and the SL-8 for the civilian community. To say the the MP7A1 can’t be modified and marketed for recreational purposes is a moot point. Just goes to show what happens when the RPM’s of the mouth is faster than the RPM’s of the brain. The magazine had a lot of potential. Sad…

• Danny says:

  September 12, 2012 at 9:36 am

  Either your statements were ones of malice towards gun owners or of incompetents! Either one is dangerous and you should be replaced! Hopefully more advertisers will pull their ads until this is done

• Charles says:

  September 12, 2012 at 12:45 pm

  Mr. Jerry Tsai, When I first saw Recoil magazine, I felt something fresh and exciting in the shooting community. This was something that we as shooters craved and wanted. Unfortunately, your statement not only showed ignorance on your part, but also you’ve forgotten that majority of readers of the Recoil magazine are civilians. I’ve been firearms instructor in both civilian/LE side for many years and am an active LEO and I have greater respect for armed law abiding citizens for stepping up to take greater responsibilities (by training, arming themselves to make this society safer). Not only you showed your ignorance, but you have also insulted readers of your magazine and potential subscribers. Armed LAW ABIDING CITIZENS are not the threat nor the problem to our society. Unfortunately, your comments are already published, we now know your true colors, your apology is little too late and I will not recommend nor support any company that insults my fellow armed law abiding citizens.
  Good day Sir.

• Josh Marcellis says:

  September 12, 2012 at 1:44 pm

  You say you are an “unwavering supporter of 2nd Amendment Rights”. Does this mean as long as law abiding civilians are reduced to carrying inferior weapons with minimal magazine capacity?

  Your statements make absolutely no sense for 2nd amendment supporter and firearm enthusiast.

  It is very sad, but I will not purchase Recoil magazine in the future and I will support your advertisers in pulling out of your publication.

• Dan Galena, Erie County, PA says:

  September 12, 2012 at 1:52 pm

  What a hypocrisy ! Publishing a firearms magazine and then spouting anti-freedom, anti-2nd Amendment, Brady cabel nonsense.

  Your magazine belongs in the same landfill as the New York Times and the Washington Post.

  Dan Galena

• Mike MacWelch says:

  September 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm

  Great magazine through #3, the issue is that now the anti-2A folks will use your comments as a reference/support for their agenda. Your position/editor’s resume and beliefs need to be addressed in next issue or it will be my last as well.

• that guy says:

  September 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm

  I really like your magazine, it seems to be a fresh look at new, trendy firearms and it has some redeaming parts, but as just a regular guy, I can see the error in judgement that was done, and hope that it will be corrected, and done right. The firearms community is up in arms so to speak and your magazine will suffer unless mister Tsai is removed from position. I have nothing personal with him, and he made a mistake, but once one is made of this magnitude, it writing, it can not be undone with words alone.

  Good day

• GHC1021 says:

  September 12, 2012 at 3:04 pm

  Mr. Jerry Tsai,

  In agreement with most of the upset on this site, I believe it is important for you and the ENTIRE Recoil staff to remember that this world we live in is not black and white but grey. You now have two strikes against your record according to my counting. If you are to avoid the last strike which seems imminent, I believe you can do so by climbing the rungs of the ladder I present to you. Your hole is deep, so don’t F__ Up.
  RUNG 1:
  Go to the sand box and do some civilian reporting for your rag.
  RUNG 2: Present your formal apology and admit your F___ Ups on a mp3 segment. Followed by the act of showing effective marksmanship of your “civilian firearms”. 3 Gun and 10, 25, 50, 100, 200, 300, 500.
  RUNG 3: Join the NRA
  RUNG 4: Give all of the proceeds of issue 4 to the USO.
  RUNG 5: Read
  The Constitution of the United States.
  RUNG 6: Read
  The Constitution of the United States again.
  RUNG 7: Learn to fold Ol’ Glory.
  RUNG 8: Learn to fold the flag that we Pledge our Allegiance to as Americans again.
  RUNG 9: Re-write your article to re-issue your 4th installment of RECOIL, and distribute free of charge.
  RUNG 10: Jump off the ladder and resign respectfully after completing your rapid procession ladder apology.

• RR says:

  September 12, 2012 at 3:15 pm

  I grew up in government-loving, individual liberty hating, anti-gun Southern California, so almost naturally, I’m new to guns. I found RECOIL the first few days after its initial release and I loved it…still do. Being new to guns, I enjoy the articles b/c I lack a lot of the background information in most other gun magazines. It’s no secret that people make mistakes. People make oversights. People publish dumb shit (just look at the NYT!). But, look at the big picture as well. My 20-something generation is used to information at it’s fingerprints, visually attractive magazines, and has the attention span of a newt, AND RECOIL still has the chance to attract said generation to the joy of guns, as well as a reading of the Constitution as it should be read.

  So, this is what I recommend:

  – Stop pandering to H&K and tell them to go f*** themselves. If they led you to print what you did, give them the boot. This should help with those that despise them as well.
  – Take responsibility. A simple “I’m sorry for putting my foot in my mouth, I love the 2A and would die for the right to protect myself, my family and my flag” would suffice.
  – This was mentioned above, but spend the money and advertise your unwavering, undying support of 2A. You’ll need it.
  – Massive apology to all of the advertisers who have or are pondering leaving…without them, you’re screwed.

  I’m sure there’s more, but I do have work to do…so I can save money…and buy my first gun.

  Hopefully you can keep publishing…

  RR

• Charles says:

  September 12, 2012 at 4:33 pm

  To Jerry Tsai
  You stated you just pass on information that you were given. It was a statement you made, that shows that you do not support the 2nd amendment! Lib say 1 thing and then will stab you in the back! I can’t see supporting a magizine that has someone with your view point on the staff.

• Mexoplex says:

  September 12, 2012 at 4:33 pm

  Hang in there buddy. I wasn’t offended in the first place. Some guns DON’T need to be in the hands of some people. and some guns WILL NEVER be in the hands of some people now.
  Regardless, people bring up the Second Amendment while skipping the first.

• Jason Bowers says:

  September 12, 2012 at 5:01 pm

  Thanks for throwing All US gun owners under the Bus.I will keep buying My Non-sporting weapons But i will never Buy your Magazine .Shame on you

• Mitchell says:

  September 12, 2012 at 5:47 pm

  Get over it, everyone. It’s still an awesome magazine, and Mr. Tsai is the one who makes it possible. We need him and we need this magazine. I’ll kill myself if I see another “Best AR platform EVER!” article in those other cheesy-ass gun magazines.

• Robert Patrick says:

  September 12, 2012 at 5:55 pm

  I’m not buying into that backpedaling “apology” at all. You made your bed now sleep in it.
  Who are you to decide what I should own or not? To say I am disappointed in this publication would be a gross understatement. I will not be supporting your magazine from this point on.

• Informant says:

  September 12, 2012 at 6:10 pm

  Sheesh, you guys, so he readily admits that he said something he shouldn’t have in his magazine. Give Jerry a break. “Lighten up, Francis.”
  You guys have never said anything that was a mistake? It doesn’t mean he isn’t for the gun community, or anything like that. He’s top honcho at a GUN magazine fercriesakes! You guys are getting all worked up like a bunch of liberals! Do you get this bent out of shape anytime you get offended? Maybe you need to fill out a “Hurt Feelings Report”?
  As far as the knuckleheads that say that you aren’t going to support any of the businesses that advertise or support Recoil. Ok, what are you going to do, whittle your own pieces in your wood shop? Every major manufacturer in the scene has jumped on Recoil because it is such a good magazine. Yeah, it’s the advertisers fault! Good luck with that.

  Quit getting your panties in such a bunch. I’d say that Recoil is better off without a whining bunch of ninnies if that’s all it takes to upset you.

  Jerry, no offense taken, so sometimes your views don’t agree with mine. We’ll agree to disagree and move on. Great magazine! I look forward to it, and wish it were a monthly publication. Carry on.

  • chucky888 says:

    September 14, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Agee +1. These guys are as touchy-feeling as the liberals. It almost seems that he go marched with code-pink and asks congress to ban MP7 or something.

• MagMan says:

  September 12, 2012 at 6:50 pm

  As an industry professional, it’s hard to see this editor still writing.

• MrHunter says:

  September 12, 2012 at 6:51 pm

  I am sorry to inform you that I will now be a former subscriber. I purchased a subscription because I truly believed you tapped into a market that is evolving and is on the cutting edge of that a lot of people are interested in, including myself. Due to your comments and ideology, I will no longer be supporting your magazine, nor your advertisers through it. You have a mentality that is untrue to our second amendment and what our founding fathers believed it to represent. The second amendment was put in place to protect the other amendments and the people against the tyranny of this government. By your initial editorial, I think its safe to assume that you believe the people of this great country should still be using muskets for sport. Sad to see a great magazine with terrible views and sad to see a supposed enthusiast with a liberal mentality.

• NICTATOR says:

  September 12, 2012 at 7:33 pm

  to Jerry Tsai , the problem is hk doesnt have the hkssf like glock has. there are plenty of people who would like to shoot their weapons at a competition level if they were smart enough to start a program.

  their weapons are so expensive because they dont sell many of them and this would be a good marketing plan

  i would love a competition with a psg 1-mp 7-usd it would be so much fun.

• Alex Watson III says:

  September 12, 2012 at 9:07 pm

  I fully understand the intended message of the article, however, putting law enforcement above civilians in that way sends a disturbing signal. Civilians have the right to defend their well being in the absence of police. With crimes being more violent and increasingly more frequent, civilians had better take their rights more seriously. Readers of your publication are a more proactive group and more self defense oriented than some police officers. NOT IN ALL CASES, police can not always serve and protect, they are human!

• Dave Gunslinger says:

  September 12, 2012 at 9:30 pm

  Sorry RECOIL. I can not support anyone who has been as careless as you all have been in what you publish. I believe just as strongly in the 1st amendment as I do in the 2nd. Because of that, I believe you are entitled to your opinion and I am fine with that. But just as I do not send money to anti-gun publications, I can not send my money to a publication which is careless in the content of the articles it prints.

• Riley Alexander says:

  September 12, 2012 at 9:41 pm

  Thank you Jerry for stepping all over the Second Amendment. If you don’t support your readers owning a particular firearm you shouldn’t be writing a story about that weapon. That being said I will not be supporting any of your advertisers or your magazine any longer.

• Allen Bond says:

  September 12, 2012 at 10:51 pm

  People have long memories & words have their effects it sounded like you meant it when you first wrote them….. Bill Ruger just before the 94 Assault weapons ban made a public statement that “No civilian needs a magazine that hold more than 10 rounds” Bill Ruger now long dead and I still won’t buy a Ruger product…. words have consequences…. I don’t expect it will go away too soon……

• Bill says:

  September 12, 2012 at 11:31 pm

  Would Jerry and this magazine care to explain H&K’s statement. They have basically called you out as the Mall Ninja you appear to be.
  Taken from “the truth about guns website”

  Some readers have misinterpreted a recent feature story in RECOIL magazine as a reflection of HK policy. Heckler & Koch has a long presence in the US civilian market and throughout that time has been an ardent and passionate supporter of the Second Amendment and the American civilian shooter. This will always be the case. The contents, opinions, and statements expressed in that feature story are those of the writer, not Heckler and Koch’s. Additionally, the writer and RECOIL magazine have issued a clarification and apology for the ill-chosen words used in the story.

  The HK MP7A1 4.6 mm Personal Defense Weapon mentioned in the story is a selective-fire product (capable of “full automatic” fire) and is currently restricted to military and law enforcement agencies by BATF. HK-USA has previously researched introducing similar commercial products, chambered in 4.6 mm, but it was determined that the final product would not have enough appeal or be legally feasible.

  — Heckler & Koch USA

  • Andrew Marcell says:

    October 4, 2012 at 5:47 am

    H&K sells a semi auto only version of the MP7A1 4.6mm in Canada..so much for corporate honesty.

• Brian D says:

  September 12, 2012 at 11:36 pm

  Ever heard of the Dixie Chicks? Know thy market.

• Dave says:

  September 13, 2012 at 12:20 am

  You know what they say, “one aww shit erases one thousand atta boys”. It’s true only if you’re completely myopic. You have a great magazine. I see it as a modern take on traditional gun rags and I really like it. Keep up the good work. Please don’t fall victim to politics and politically correct BS regardless of which side it comes from.

• Mike says:

  September 13, 2012 at 12:49 am

  Hey recoil, looking for a new editor? Us Canadians got this Wendy Culkier broad we wanna get rid of…

• Tim C. says:

  September 13, 2012 at 1:25 am

  Guess you didn’t post my comments as you didn’t like the fact I mentioned HaleyStrategic publically dropped you on its Facebook wall because of your inept statement. Guess that is an editor priviledge.

• Looserounds.com says:

  September 13, 2012 at 1:44 am

  Jerry, you say you were only repeating what was told to you by HK.

  HK says they told you know such thing and that those where your words and your words only.

  care to explain? WHo is the liar here? you or HK?

• Larry says:

  September 13, 2012 at 2:40 am

  Finally read the article I did not take offense to it and I have to agree that not all weapons should be available for civilian use. I also feel that some high power weapons should be sold to civilians (.50 caliber, etc) I have friends in law enforcement and having to deal with individuals with several automatic weapons is a burden on the law enforcement community.

  I do enjoy your magazine and we’ll continue to do so. Most of the posts here are saying otherwise but where else are you going to go? There are no other magazines out there that give detailed information for the average consumer.
  Thank you, Jerry

• Jordan says:

  September 13, 2012 at 3:26 am

  I find it interesting that everyone is going looney of a poor choice of words. Really poeple, unless you are God (doubtful given the language and attitude) you more than likely have done/said something stupid. Get over it. It might be interesting to note that H&K, COLT, SIG, FN and various other companies have weapons that they do not make avalible to civilian market, are the same people on here that are ripping Recoil (MAGPUL, Silencerco, Haley Strat, etc included) ripping these companies as well? Again doubtful. Did anyone read further in the mag, and read the lengthy article on getting your Class 2 & 3 stamp and which weapons fall under which stamp, or did you all just stop at the first thing that insulted you? Do you really think that a “anti-gun”/”gun-grabber” publication would so extensively provide this information? You can create your own little Face-whine and complain about the one paragraph in a fairly large mag but I would like to see you do better, assuming that any of you have the ambition, again, doubtful. As for me, I’ll pick up the next issue and continue to support a good mag because, unlike those at Haley Strat, Magpul, SliencerCo and some one here, I understand that people are not perfect in this world and that people have differing views on the topic of firearms. As my DS would say “Suck it up, mount up, and move on.”

• Eric says:

  September 13, 2012 at 6:35 am

  I have been buying Recoil since I first saw it at Wal-Mart. The flashy cover, heavy card stock and articles that seemed to be more geared towards things I actually cared about made me want to go back every time a new RECOIL came out.

  Jerry, usually when people have a big screw up like this it happens because their mouth is moving too fast for their brain to keep up. In your case you had plenty of time to read and consider what you were writing. You have caused quite the upheaval and it is really unfortunate because I love RECOIL and hate to see so many people running for the hills all because of one poorly written article. I will continue to read RECOIL for all the entertaining and informative articles I have seen before this one.

• Ben says:

  September 13, 2012 at 7:02 am

  I like your magazine and will continue to buy it on and off depending on the content of what’s in it but I cannot in good conscience subscribe to it because of the anti-gun sentiment expressed by a senior manager who should know better. You’re either with us or you’re not.

• Dane R. Marley says:

  September 13, 2012 at 11:44 am

  He needs to be fired!!

  Enough said!

  Dane

• Ketan Chand says:

  September 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm

  Grow some balls and post my original comment. I’m sure there are more than “62” comments to this. Yeah, riiiiiiight.

  More like 620

• D Clark says:

  September 13, 2012 at 2:05 pm

  I am unable to view any of my purchased Recoil issues. What’s going on with that?

• cj says:

  September 13, 2012 at 2:35 pm

  I agree with most of the people here. You have a great and unique magazine. But you shot yourself in the foot with that article. I appreciate that you appologized, that shows you know you messed up. I also agree that if you are to keep the magazine going and ressurect yourself. Jerry Tsai needs to step down and take a back seat. Keeping him as editor will show that Recoil supports his ideas and that will surely kill the magazine. I have no problem with Jerry remaining an owner but his ideas and views are not contingent with a gun magazine. If I were you I would put Ted Nugget as editor. or someone with the same passion for firearms and the second amendment. Good luck hope to see what you do

• Jim Clark says:

  September 13, 2012 at 2:50 pm

  Let us know when Tsai is gone – toast he is.

• David Cleveland says:

  September 13, 2012 at 3:13 pm

  To Recoil Magazine

  I had never heard of your magazine till now.

  After your views have been made that you are not behind the Red White & Blue that so many have died defending I will never even pick up one of your magazines to look at !!!

• Rob J. says:

  September 13, 2012 at 3:25 pm

  Purely from a business standpoint, maybe Jerry’s comments didn’t do the magazine any favors. That being said, are you really going to trash the editor of perhaps the most beautifully put-together magazines in the history of firearms? Give him a break, so he screwed up once in one paragraph in an otherwise fine article.

  Detractors need to look at the big picture- stop getting your panties in bunch over a supposed attack on the 2nd amendment. The Gun Rights lobby is already unstoppably powerful, and is unfazed by even the most vehement anti-gun organizations, Brady campaign included. ONE paragraph in ONE magazine is not going to change that. It’s also nice to read an opinion you disagree with once in a while, however wrong it may be- otherwise you just become a sycophantic media drone.

  If anything, people should start scrutinizing other gun magazines for never posting negative reviews of anything. Jerry Tsai shouldn’t be crucified for misrepresenting one issue, if we let the others get away with misrepresenting hundreds just to keep their corporate sponsorships.

  I salute Jerry Tsai and his team for producing the most well designed guns and gear publication that has ever graced the shelves of a magazine stand. An editor’s job goes far beyond writing articles, and in all those functions he has performed more than admirably. Keep doing what you’re doing, but understand the nature of your audience.

• sam ingle says:

  September 13, 2012 at 3:30 pm

  Well Mr Tsai I for one am willing to give you a second chance you have had your share of crow now I do believeyou have fallen victim to the omg its a H&K gun snobbery I watched the episode of sons of guns with Chris Kyle last night and H&k s us president made clear that the 416 that was going to Chris was the military version and not the CIVI version so yes you seem to have been schooled by H&K and their uber gun snob following
  good luck Sir

• 2a says:

  September 13, 2012 at 5:37 pm

  Sounds like the talk of someone who would support a new AW ban, to protect the good guys from us “bad guys”

• Casey says:

  September 13, 2012 at 7:44 pm

  I really don’t understand why everyone is getting their panties in such a twist about something so insignificant. So he made a mistake; get over it and move on. You guys sound like my ex-girlfriend.

  I enjoy RECOIL and I will continue to buy their magazine.

• GK says:

  September 13, 2012 at 8:48 pm

  Way to much over reaction here, you have a excellent magazine, i will be ordering every issue.

• SSGunny says:

  September 13, 2012 at 9:01 pm

  Mr. Tsai: You have done nothing wrong! I am a huge supporter of the Second Amendment and was in no way offended by your comments. I love how people take such an extremist stance on the smallest issues. Even without your retraction your intention was clear. Recoil is a great magazine and the sponsors will soon return. Money talks and people LOVE to walk (for show)…..but they will be back.

  I fail to see how you are less American, or even a non supporter of our troops as so many have implied.

  RECOIL is the BEST gun magazine on the shelf. It is exciting, interesting, honest, different, and fresh. Nice job Keep it up!!!

  I think I might even buy an extra copy or two just to make up for a few of the cry babies out there.

• O.G Shocker says:

  September 13, 2012 at 9:01 pm

  Horrified by your editorial and insulted by your retraction.

• Frank Butler says:

  September 13, 2012 at 10:41 pm

  I was thinking of picking up an issue of your magazine but after reading Mr. Tsai’s editorial and apology I will have to pass. Get a new editor and I will reconsider.

• F.L. says:

  September 13, 2012 at 11:07 pm

  Dear Mr. Tsai,

  I am since the beginning of your magazine a reader. I am using the digital version on my ipad. I like the way your magazine is made, high quality pics, interesting news, good and interesting articles.

  I KNOW THAT ALL PEOPLE HERE WILL BLAME ME FOR WHAT I WRITE, BUT I DO NOT CARE ABOUT WRITING THE TRUTH. I KNOW NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE TRUTH, BUT I MUST BE SAID !!!!

  WHAT I THINK IT IS NOT CORRECT THAT A MAGAZINE LIKE RECOIL IS HUNTED DOWN LIKE IT WAS DONE HERE AND ON FACEBOOK !!!

  Well, I am not living in the US, a part of my family does, I am living in Europe, where we have the most restricted firearms laws at all.

  Even if you look to Germany, where HK is based.

  I have a military and law enforcement backround so I know HK handguns very well.

  The thing is, PDWs like HK MP 7 A 1, also FN 5.7, P90 and this stuff is restricted.

  For a good reason, these guns were designed for military use espically to penetrate body armor.

  I mean I love the US, great country with a great nature, but the problem from a view outside but too many handguns.

  I accept the 2nd amendment, but what i see for example on the news when there is an active shooter in the US, the rats of buying firearms are rising, because people think, to solve this problem is, to buy more firearms. Every logic thinking person knows that this is not a solution.
  Even, the last active shooters bought their firearms using for their crime legally !!! Without any control !!!

  What would happen if an active shooter enters a school, armed with an MP 7 A 1 or two of them ??? Thinking also about the arriving officers !!!???

  In Europe you have to make special firearms tests before you can buy and own a handgun. They are registered.

  What is very funny is the view from outside.

  For example, if there is an active shooter, the reaction is to buy more handguns. For what ??? Even think about what happens everybody is drawing a gun, only civilians, like at the Batman massacre and starts shooting around because no one can identify the actice shooter! Very good solution. People who are arguing like this should think about what they are talking about. Even, when police is arriving, hard to identify that armed active shooter, because a lot of people would draw their handgun and react.

  In my opinion its also easy to say I would shoot such a person, but they even don’t know what it means to kill a human being, they are just talking about it !!!! They don’t know what happens after they did it. They wonna be hard core people who don’t know anything about what happens under stress even if they could be shocked and nothing happens.

  Even look on training companies like Costa or Haley, they did all to get in your magazine. Why, because it is a perfect marketing advertisement in an unique very well made lifestyle magazine for their industry to get new customers ! Now they let you fall like a hot potatoe.
  I mean it is clear, otherwise they will loose customers for their training.
  They are teaching also civilians in handgun tactics and techniques which are basic combat things trained in every LE/MIL unit over here.
  What happens if one of their trainees uses this knowledge as an active shooter or for another crime also in a shoot out with police ?? Will they be blamed for that ??
  They are offering special tactic courses only for LE/MIL, not open for civilians, is that also against the 2nd ?? Against protecting freedom ??
  But they are making a lot of money with teaching civilians because everyone is feared of something, maybe the US goverment or maybe of ZOMBIES, aha, very funny for normal thinking people to play with FEAR and use this for marketing and self defense use.

  Same with all the other companies quitting their advertisement, they would loose customers.

  In my opinion you made no mistake in what you wrote. A few handguns less in civilian and criminal hands would be better for this world. Also getting control over illegal handguns.
  I even think if someone is using only bad and unpolite words against you shows what a person he is, no one you can discuss in a free and democratic world, the same extremist the US is fighting against the whole world.

  It is so funny, oh the special forces like DEVGRU using MP7, I need it ! Aha. Oh, the Green Berets are using this knives, I need it. Soooo funny.

  A real operator can train and act with any kind of equipment, because knowledge and combat mindset is beside physical and psychological fitness the key.

  I tell you what I do, I will not support and buy stuff from companies which are against you.

  PLEASE GO ONE WITH YOUR MAGAZINE ! There are other markets, companies and topics you can write about.

  Sincerely

  FL

• F.L. says:

  September 14, 2012 at 12:34 am

  Dear Mr. Tsai,

  I am since the beginning of your magazine a reader. I am using the digital version on my ipad. I like the way your magazine is made, high quality pics, interesting news, good and interesting articles.

  I KNOW THAT ALL PEOPLE HERE WILL BLAME ME FOR WHAT I WRITE, BUT I DO NOT CARE ABOUT WRITING THE TRUTH. I KNOW NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE TRUTH, BUT I MUST BE SAID !!!!

  WHAT I THINK IT IS NOT CORRECT THAT A MAGAZINE LIKE RECOIL IS HUNTED DOWN LIKE IT WAS DONE HERE AND ON FACEBOOK !!!

  Well, I am not living in the US, a part of my family does, I am living in Europe, where we have the most restricted firearms laws at all.

  Even if you look to Germany, where HK is based.

  I have a military and law enforcement backround so I know HK handguns very well.

  The thing is, PDWs like HK MP 7 A 1, also FN 5.7, P90 and this stuff is restricted.

  For a good reason, these guns were designed for military use espically to penetrate body armor.

  I mean I love the US, great country with a great nature, but the problem from a view outside, too many handguns.

  I accept the 2nd amendment, but what i see for example on the news when there is an active shooter in the US, the rats of buying firearms are rising, because people think, to solve this problem is, to buy more firearms. Every logic thinking person knows that this is not a solution.
  Even, the last active shooters bought their firearms using for their crime legally !!! Without any control !!!

  What would happen if an active shooter enters a school, armed with an MP 7 A 1 or two of them ??? Thinking also about the arriving officers !!!???

  In Europe you have to make special firearms tests before you can buy and own a handgun. They are registered.

  What is very funny is the view from outside.

  For example, if there is an active shooter, the reaction is to buy more handguns. For what ??? Even think about what happens everybody is drawing a gun, only civilians, like at the Batman massacre and starts shooting around because no one can identify the actice shooter! Very good solution. People who are arguing like this should think about what they are talking about. Even, when police is arriving, hard to identify that armed active shooter, because a lot of people would draw their handgun and react.

  In my opinion its also easy to say I would shoot such a person, but they even don’t know what it means to kill a human being, they are just talking about it !!!! They don’t know what happens after they did it. They wonna be hard core people who don’t know anything about what happens under stress even if they could be shocked and nothing happens.

  Even look on training companies like Costa or Haley, they did all to get in your magazine. Why, because it is a perfect marketing advertisement in an unique very well made lifestyle magazine for their industry to get new customers ! Now they let you fall like a hot potatoe.
  I mean it is clear, otherwise they will loose customers for their training.
  They are teaching also civilians in handgun tactics and techniques which are basic combat things trained in every LE/MIL unit over here.
  What happens if one of their trainees uses this knowledge as an active shooter or for another crime also in a shoot out with police ?? Will they be blamed for that ??
  They are offering special tactic courses only for LE/MIL, not open for civilians, is that also against the 2nd ?? Against protecting freedom ??
  But they are making a lot of money with teaching civilians because everyone is feared of something, maybe the US goverment or maybe of ZOMBIES, aha, very funny for normal thinking people to play with FEAR and use this for marketing and self defense use.

  Same with all the other companies quitting their advertisement, they would loose customers.

  In my opinion you made no mistake in what you wrote. A few handguns less in civilian and criminal hands would be better for this world. Also getting control over illegal handguns.
  I even think if someone is using only bad and unpolite words against you shows what a person he is, no one you can discuss in a free and democratic world, the same extremist the US is fighting against the whole world.

  It is so funny, oh the special forces like DEVGRU using MP7, I need it ! Aha. Oh, the Green Berets are using this knives, I need it. Soooo funny.

  A real operator can train and act with any kind of equipment, because knowledge and combat mindset is beside physical and psychological fitness the key.

  I tell you what I do, I will not support and buy stuff from companies which are against you.

  PLEASE GO ONE WITH YOUR MAGAZINE ! There are other markets, companies and topics you can write about.

  Sincerely

  FL

• Michael says:

  September 14, 2012 at 2:07 am

  Come on everyone, let’s not get too crazy. People make mistakes. It’s a good magazine, give it a chance.

• Don Bledsoe says:

  September 14, 2012 at 2:34 am

  Much much hoopla, and I understand why. Jerry’s “sporting purposes” paragraph was truly stupid. I don’t buy his retraction/Recoil Statement either. It comes across as insincere and misses the greater point of the 2nd Amendment issue so many have articulated exceptionally well in response. But I do feel it is due to his lack of knowledge about the 2nd Amendment, why we weapons enthusiasts are so adamant about the 2nd Amendment being interpreted as exactly what it means (What part of “…shall not be infringed.” do people not understand? It’s pretty simple language!).

  Be that as it may, I think the reaction here has been a bit of over reaction. We can all learn a lesson here, especially Jerry. I am of the type to cut him some slack. I am retired now but through my professional/career life I made a few mistakes. Some of them serious enough that some people thought I should have been fired. Thankfully my bosses saw deeper into my potential and didn’t. I learned from those mistakes and became better informed, a better employee, and an asset to the company I worked for, or so I was told by the oldest, most knowledgeable, and finest boss I worked for.

  I can’t help but think that Jerry’s heart is in the right place but his knowledge and wisdom are lacking (wisdom only comes from experience and experience is gained by making mistakes, realizing they are mistakes, correcting those mistakes, and moving on from there). I think he has learned a valuable lesson from this experience and will be (potentially) a better editor as a result.

  I also realize his screw-up has the potential to damage our 2nd Amendment cause by providing ammunition to anti-2nd Amendment fanatics but I think the momentum is in our favor and we can counter it on all fronts.

  With all that said, I had never heard of Recoil Magazine until today, and that thanks to a blog posting. So what was my reaction? I subscribed to the digital version of Recoil. Why? Because I will support any magazine that promotes recreational weapons use, self-defense, and the 2nd Amendment, especially if it is slick and glossy and attracts younger/potential weapons enthusiasts to our cause. We need that more than we need the detraction or shutting down a potential resource of good for our cause.

  I understand the many negative responses here. Those folks are justified in their outrage, but please don’t lose sight of the bigger picture. We need the support of our younger folks because old dudes like me won’t live forever. We need to pass our heritage on in a way that appeals to younger voters. I see Recoil as a means to that end.

  I am confident that Jerry has learned a valuable lesson and education, if you will. Let’s see, via future issues, if he and the Recoil staff have learned that lesson. If they prove they missed the point then they deserve to be dumped like a hot rock.

  Don

• drago says:

  September 14, 2012 at 4:32 am

  I thought the part where you stated its only for puttin down scumbags was a little dark i own guns and i wouldnt think of hurtin someone at all other than protection even then i wouldnt call the person a a scumbag after i took his life.

  A true gun enthusiast would not think of guns to do harm….very disapointing but its just a magazine.

• John says:

  September 14, 2012 at 11:45 am

  Was this just his option; on this firearm or something more anti-gun in its self?

• chucky888 says:

  September 14, 2012 at 1:48 pm

  It seems some readers are way over-reacted. The fact is HK MP7 is not available to us Civilian, not even an MP5 right now. Why the hell HK made the G36 look like an airsoft toy (SL-1) to sell in US? This not because what Jerry said. Do you really think he is anti-gun activitists like Diane Feinstein?

• Mark says:

  September 14, 2012 at 3:34 pm

  I hope the few of you willing to overlook this grievous error think twice; you may think you’re not being anti-2a, but you’re supporting the very propaganda that drives the brady bunch and other organizations. This is what gives them the foothold that allows them to strip us of our rights.

  The editor here is either supportive of this anti-2a movement, or a complete moron. He could be both, but he cannot be neither.

  He states “This is a purpose built weapon with no applications to speak of”.

  Well Mr. Tsai, can you please explain to us how it was you were able to fire the weapon without using it to “put down scumbags”? Was it fairly sporting when it was you that was allowed to use the weapon?

  How is it not sporting for the rest of us to do what you in your privileged position was permitted to do?

  I’ll accept that you must be a moron, and if you’re not, you must instead be a hypocrite of the worst kind.

• RobG says:

  September 14, 2012 at 5:04 pm

  I’m very disappointed in RECOIL and perhaps losing his job will be a good learning experience for Mr. Tsai.

  For the record, I have extensive experience with the MP7 and have found it to be one of the most useful weapons at racking up great kill ratios – in Call Of Duty 3. LOL

• CZ 858 says:

  September 14, 2012 at 5:25 pm

  Stop pretending to be gun enthusiasts just to sell magazines. A Gun culture magazine is not the place for your anti-gun opinions. Get a new editor and I may continue to by your Mag.

• CZ 858 says:

  September 14, 2012 at 5:37 pm

  Jerry Tsai steps down as editor. Good call; just remember who your readers are. We want your gun reviews, not your gun politics.

• F.L. says:

  September 14, 2012 at 9:02 pm

  ok now its posted THANK YOU GENTLEMEN !!!

• Dustin says:

  September 17, 2012 at 6:17 pm

  wow you guys are way too sensitive. As responsible gun owners and americans you outta know better.

• Firearms Instructor says:

  September 17, 2012 at 8:15 pm

  A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

• Frag4u says:

  September 18, 2012 at 3:45 am

  I will no longer be reading or buy this magazine. I believe Recoil is published out of california,if that is a fact you californians need to keep your hippie left wing ideals to your self,and for God sake stay out of other peoples State.stay in california obama lovers!

• Edubya224 says:

  September 18, 2012 at 5:48 pm

  It amazes me that this guy calls himself a supporter of the 2nd amendment. 4 subscriptions in and you guys pull a lame brain maneuver like this. Good luck pulling out of this one, because you are going to need it. There will still be a few idiots out there still buy it because it “looks cool”, but true gun enthusiasts will simply move right past it to the real mags that are published out there.

  What a disappointment

• CBPO Jon A Underwood, CBP, Ret. says:

  September 20, 2012 at 2:10 am

  To make things up to us avid readers and to prove you back the Second Amendment (2A), I suggest that because of the absolutely disgraceful comments by Mr. Tsai, I would like to propose that Recoil Magazine “re-print edition 1” and make it available to those who want one for the price of $6.00 with postage included.

  I think that we all can accept this gesture on your part to make up for the past and begin a new future together!

• CBPO Jon A Underwood, CBP, Ret. says:

  September 20, 2012 at 5:48 am

  Jerry,

  I understand the concern of the people at Gun nuts.

  They are right in that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment (2A) and the purpose of any American purchasing and possessing a weapon, has absolutely nothing to do with “sporting purpose”, that phrase is of course some delusion created by the anti-gun liberal left.

  This phrase has no place in any magazine that purports to support the 2A.

  The real reason that the MP7a1, and the MP5 for that matter, is not available to the American civilian market is that Heckler and Koch (HK) does not give a damn about civilian markets. They have piss-poor customer support for civilians and have for some time.

  Granted they are offering rifles not in SA format to us lowly civilians in the Mr556a1 and Mr762a1 but the prices for these weapon remind me of someone who is really proud of something they overprice the thing out of real possibilities of purchase by non trust fund babies!

  They could offer the MP7a1 in a pistol format with the option of purchasing one in a SBR option, it could be done if they so chose to do so. But, they won’t.

  I personally like the manner you have the formatting of your magazine and the quality of your paper and other areas, such as your photography. I like the structure of your web site as well.

  I personally would like to see Recoil have a second running of Edition 1 for purchase. Also an option to set up a monthly deduction of the magazine price, something south of the newsstand price, possibly 1$ less than the $8.99 newsstand price. This would be an easier option for those with limited cash to get a subscription going for your magazine.

  We supporters of the 2a have for decades been pelted with non-nonsensical terms by the liberal left to attach some sort of accepted terminology that the Liberal left can run with to meet their mission of one day having only the Police and Military in possession of firearms,a Police State in effect. (Of course, that won’t count their personal bodyguards that protect the liberal elite from actually having to follow the law, even their own!)

  Jerry, Please remember the entire reason for the 2A, as noted by our great, though flawed humans as we all are, Founding Fathers, is to insure that “The People” have the capability to defend themselves against a non-responsive, oppressive government run amok!

  Keep that in mind when you word out the 5th edition, which I am looking forward to already!

• Bob Todrick says:

  September 20, 2012 at 4:45 pm

  Sorry…really bad move.
  If I was HK I’d be pissed (they are) that a stance such as this (not putting the weapon in the hands of the public because they aren’t trustworthy enough…essentially) could well hurt their business.
  Who out there read Mr. Tsai’s editorial and has decided that HK is a manufacturer they would not deal with. If they haven’t followed all that has ensued they could very well think HK was deciding who was trustworthy enough to own their products.
  Hell…I’d even be thinking lawsuit.

• Cigar Scholar says:

  September 21, 2012 at 8:08 pm

  Regardless of where you stand on this debate, the magazine is all sizzle and no steak anyway. It’s just full page glossy photos and eye-candy gun-porn for gear-heads and Soldier of Fortune wannabees. Nothing of substance anywhere to be found, and written at a grade school level. Count me out.

• Richard Valencia says:

  September 22, 2012 at 6:00 am

  I just put down my first issue of Recoil, I was very impressed and will keep buying as long as the articles remain interesting and informative.
  As far as what the editor stated and all this hoopla, so what, there are real dangers out in the real world other then what one man stated.

  Thanks for a GOOD RAG!

  • SDFreeman says:

    October 5, 2012 at 2:09 am

    Richard V,

    Exactly I think it too is a major “so what” the hoopla surrounding that article made my aware of the magazine and will purchase from now on. Just like all the hoopla’s over record lyrics the more the record sells thats what will happen here to I suspect.

• Mike says:

  September 26, 2012 at 1:40 am

  Another customer lost. Remember that Barack tells us he’s a 2A supporter too –

• John says:

  October 4, 2012 at 2:52 am

  I think that most of these negative comments are from a bunch of little cry-babies who can not handle the truth as to why certain military and L.E. equiptment should not be available to the general public. maybe that is why grenade launchers and flame throwers are not available at walmart.The article was well written and informative, leave it at that and stop whining. I can’t wait for the next issue.

• Andrew Marcell says:

  October 4, 2012 at 5:39 am

  Not to pile on but H&K are very difficult to deal with and seem to think Americans are totally ignorant of their sales in Canada. Yes H&K sells a semi auto only MP7A1 in Canada as a restricted weapon. The status is similar to some handguns. Why are Canadians more trusted than Americans with this weapon? I am sorry to see Jerry Tsai step down but his lack of questioning H&Ks Law Enforcement Sales Rep.Mike Cabrera statements about American shooters and civilians not being trustworthy (by implication) is inexcusable .H&Ks position will cost it respect and a part of the American market. This is an unfortunate incident. RECOIL was an interesting publication that offered a glimpse into the current weapons and accessories available today. I however will not purchase it again. Sorry gentlemen but this has ended it for me.

• SDFreeman says:

  October 5, 2012 at 2:01 am

  To Jerry Tsai and Recoil magazine,

  I live by all are Bill of Rights, Jerry made a comment or a thought that I do disagree with but support his right to say it. I Believe strongly in the 2nd amnedment and I took his statement as they say a grain of salt. He should not be repremanded or fired. I can not believe all the hateful comments toward Jerry and Recoil Mag. Thats what the leftists do they want to ban speach, ban guns, ban support of God etc. I will continue to buy Recoil magazine because I support free thought, and the Bill of Rights for all.

• FredieUSA says:

  October 7, 2012 at 6:09 am

  A person like Tsai is not welcome amongst us. He needs to go. I suggest he go settle in England or Australia so he can be around like minded folks. Its unfortunate this person was not vetted before joining your team! Hopefully you will do a better job now.

• Dave is not an option says:

  October 30, 2012 at 3:14 pm

  My 11 year old son uses the same tactic… “It wasn’t me! It was someone else’s fault.” If he trips over a book bag which HE left in the middle of the floor, he blames the book bag. Not his poor choice of dropping it in the middle of the floor after school. Not his lack of memory for having left it in THAT spot just ten minutes prior. And surely not his fault that he failed to use his two eyes to see that book bag, the ONLY thing laying in the middle of the floor.
  Simple truth… just poor judgement on all counts.

  Jerry stepped up and took his medicine. He did admit that he made the mistake. It is unfortunate that his words were the poorly chosen dribble of a company which likes to keep close and cozy with the Gov’t. agencies that they cater to. Yet they could care less about the civilian market. I have owned several H&K firearms over the decades but I now choose to boycott their brand. Right down to their 5.56 magazines. H&K products have always been over priced in my opinion. But I digress…

  Jerry, just poor judgment on all counts!
  I fully understand the awe of firing full auto bursts from an H&K. I’ve been there and done that with the MP5. I can only wonder if your eyes welled up and your mind went all warm and fuzzy under the hypnotic staccato of the MP7? Thus leaving you in a wonderous daze? Whereby you then proceeded to type out the opinionated “facts” as they were delivered to you? All of this as you bowed down to worship the almighty company which allowed your “slimmy hands” to fire their “untouchable by slimmy hands” toys?

  In the future, use the brain that God gave you! Clear your mind of all the adrenaline, hype and smoke before you report anything! I wish you the best of luck in your new career. Hey, it’s not the end of the world… even Bill Clinton was able to make a comeback.